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Pastebin, compiler, and debugger supporting 40+ languages (ideone.com)
79 points by ujeezy 42 days ago | comments




12 points by hugs 42 days ago | link

Obligatory cross-link to codepad: http://codepad.org/

Footnote to history: I liked codepad so much when I first saw it on HN back in 2008, I tracked down the guy who made it (Steve Hazel/sah) and made him my co-founder! :-)

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8 points by mahmud 41 days ago | link

You made Selenium, you're not too shabby yourself.

How does it feel to be the author of a goddamn resume requirement? :-P

http://jobsearch.monster.com/PowerSearch.aspx?q=selenium

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4 points by patio11 41 days ago | link

How does it feel to be the author of a goddamn resume requirement?

Now there's one for the bucket list...

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3 points by hugs 41 days ago | link

:-) I'll celebrate when these two lines cross: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=qtp,+selenium

Until then, we've got work to do!

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1 point by friend_of_all 41 days ago | link

ideone is better than codepad, but I like both of them

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12 points by jmhobbs 42 days ago | link

Guess they thought of that...

http://ideone.com/Xm7TK

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1 point by kranner 41 days ago | link

Maybe they're running the untrusted user-submitted code as processes under the 'nobody' user as a security measure.

I've built something similar for my upcoming programmer-testing service at http://codeboff.in and this is one of the precautions I've taken in my own sandboxing arrangement.

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1 point by limmeau 41 days ago | link

They also guard their compilation environment (I think)

http://ideone.com/icJVj

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1 point by kranner 41 days ago | link

How is that paste an example of the compiler being guarded?

In fact it looks like '/etc/passwd' is readable to the compiler after all.

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1 point by limmeau 41 days ago | link

The Python example in parent printed an /etc/passwd full of nobody-accounts. From my error message, I only know that the first line in the compilation environment is a nobody-account. In all /etc/passwds I remember having dealt with (mostly the distribution-maintained ones of Linux distributions), the first line was the root account. This is by no means a proof that the compilation environment is guarded, but a strong hint.

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1 point by kranner 40 days ago | link

OK, but I wonder if it's not easier to just block access to /etc/passwd from the compiler while it is compiling user-submitted code. AppArmor or SELinux could be used to do this.

A decoy /etc/passwd is a bit less plausible to me.

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1 point by limmeau 40 days ago | link

As for the plausibility of the decoy, how do you interpret the output of the Python interpreter in the great-grandparent comment?

If I had to build a compile-and-run sandbox, I'd also look into SELinux or AppArmor. However, blocking reads to /etc/passwd will disable getpwent(), which innocent programs may occasionally use, and with shadow passwords, /etc/passwd should not be sensitive anyway.

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2 points by kranner 40 days ago | link

Hmm, I have to admit a 'nobody' account with UID and GID 0 is weird. I'm not sure if it is possible for a non-superuser to have those values so you may be right here.

With AppArmor, at least, it is perfectly possible to assign different policies to the same program. Policies are applied to programs identified by pathname so all one needs to do to sandbox, for instance, /usr/bin/gcc:

1. ln /usr/bin/gcc-4.4 ~/sandbox/compilers/gcc 2. Create and enforce an apparmor policy for ~/sandbox/compilers/gcc 3. Remember to use only ~/sandbox/compilers/gcc for untrusted code.

I do this (among other things) for my platform, and given that I only require user-submitted code to solve one of a limited set of algorithmic challenges, I can get away with blocking access to /etc/passwd (and everything else but a restricted whitelist).

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1 point by ay 36 days ago | link

And no setuid executables either, at least not in the path.

http://ideone.com/lQbpi

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1 point by Setsuna 41 days ago | link

Is running each code as a separate process really scalable?

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4 points by limmeau 41 days ago | link

They run a C++ compiler on user-supplied code. That should dominate context-switching overhead.

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3 points by ELV1S 42 days ago | link

I built a Chrome extension that meets gist.github.com and ideone.com http://github.com/NV/run-this-gist. Alas, API doesn't work well in most cases http://ideone.com/tXexT.

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3 points by kuszi 42 days ago | link

Nice idea. There is also a GistDoIt: http://www.gistdoit.com/about

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1 point by ELV1S 42 days ago | link

If I knew about it wouldn't build mine.

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1 point by kuszi 41 days ago | link

Why? The more options to choose, the better.

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2 points by duck 42 days ago | link

I could see this useful for coding tests during interviews.

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2 points by bitsai 41 days ago | link

see[Mike]code might be an even better fit for that purpose:

http://i.seemikecode.com/

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1 point by kuszi 41 days ago | link

You can always use any of online judge services allowing you to set problem/organize contests (like http://spoj.pl) but how do you know your candidate is really solving the problem by himself?

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1 point by kuszi 42 days ago | link

What is the advantage here?

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2 points by limmeau 41 days ago | link

You'd save the time needed to switch between environments if you want to examine the candidate in different languages.

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1 point by kuszi 41 days ago | link

Indeed, good point!

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1 point by Scriptor 42 days ago | link

They have an API! http://ideone.com/api

I'd have to learn SOAP first, but I've been meaning to do a website similar to tryruby.com for one of my projects. This looks like it could definitely help.

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2 points by Pistos2 37 days ago | link

Yesterday and today, I quickly wrote up a Ruby interface to the API: http://github.com/Pistos/ideone-gem

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3 points by ELV1S 42 days ago | link

Try http://run-this.appspot.com/ if you don't want to learn SOAP.

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2 points by mkilling 41 days ago | link

I wrote a Python wrapper that you can use without having to know SOAP: http://github.com/mkilling/ideone.py

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2 points by kuszi 42 days ago | link

There are some examples to help you start.

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1 point by Setsuna 41 days ago | link

Interesting! you can use java-scripting api for running jruby, jpython etc on server but how're they doing it for C/C++?

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1 point by jeebusroxors 42 days ago | link

A nice feature (compared to codepad) is the ability to specify input.

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1 point by kuszi 42 days ago | link

Right! You can specify even multiple inputs and clone them - helps while you need to modify/test a code snippet.

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1 point by friend_of_all 41 days ago | link

it is integrated with FB, nice!

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